a resolved quandary
March 27th, 2016, 11:00 pm
Average Rating: 4.80
March 27th, 2016, 10:54 pmReply
Sorry for those expecting an actual update...
...but I really think I need to talk about this, and it really concerns you guys. All of you.
Kirby Adventure was a big passion project, started off as a strong inspiration from Strike Force Squad, Kirby's Dream Adventure, and Loser Sprites. It was something for me to work on while I was sick with Lyme Disease, and it was something fun and entertaining while I worked on the original Yoshi & Kirby's more focused narrative.
It quickly became something much more grandiose, developing into a more serious story, more developed characters, but still retaining original qualities such as the humor, albiet toned down. It was fun to work on, enjoyable to write for and create these characters, really cool to work with fellow authors on major crossover arcs with large impacts, and with all of the fans and readers, it was a blast feeling like I was entertaining so many people. It's the second most popular Kirby comic on Smack Jeeves to date, even with having a "five comic pages in like an entire year" update rate.
Yeah. That update rate sucks, doesn't it? See... here's the reason why I've made this non-page. It's really just an author comment thing.
You may have noticed that my comic focus has been on Shards of Krino, my original CYOA comic that started June of 2015. There's a good reason for this: It's so much more enjoyable for me to make nowadays.
That isn't to say I dislike making Kirby Adventure pages, no. The problem here is that... I've grown.
I've grown as a creator, as a writer, as a person. I don't NEED Kirby Adventure anymore. Not it specifically, at least. I've gotten better at writing, at developing, at creating.
I think of what I'd be making next for this comic, getting interested in the cool ideas I've had to continue the story.
And then I remember all the decisions I've made for this story in the past that I'm forced to live with.
Shat'l is a psychic; this completely breaks the narrative in many ways.
The main 9 characters are recolors of the same character, making them completely not visually distinct.
Many characters have had skewed focus due to the large size of the main cast. Yes, nine characters IS a large cast to properly write for.
There are details that are completely random and contradictory to the world, like Keito's changing food interests, Raize and the Pep Brew, Kirby's bad characterization changes, originally saying there were 26 Divisions and then retconning it to 4, the list goes on and on.
The whole existence of Etam and Tear in the Fabric still mars the legacy of the comic, regardless of whether or not you liked the segment or not.
Unexplained plot threads like Fusion Kirby's band of monsters, the frozen time bubble in the Old Tower, how Zykan knows about the orbs, the mere existence of the orbs in the first place...
I'm pretty sure there's a saying out there that nobody hates content like the person who made it. If not, I'm making that a saying now, because I really can't stand half of the decisions a less-experienced me made that I now have to deal with with this comic.
And this makes it hard to continue writing it.
I want to move onto better things. I want to show that I can really write a great story, and not one that ends good but starts really awkwardly. I can't do these things with this massive project lingering over my neck like this.
But herein lies the problem. Sure, I could easily just stop the comic. I've basically done that with Yoshi & Kirby, which was in an even worse predicament. Yeah, sorry Y&K fans, that whole "going to write out the future chapters" things isn't happening. It's such an old and problematic story, I absolutely couldn't keep working with it anymore. But there's one major difference between Yoshi & Kirby and Kirby Adventure:
You guys. As in, the fans.
Yoshi & Kirby had around 160 fans or so. Sad, but ultimately not enough to sway my interests in continuing the rebooted version of an honestly really crappy rip-off story I made when I was 12.
Kirby Adventure, approximating for unregistered users, has probably around like 600 fans. This is by far the most people I've had ever following any single project I've made. 300 YouTube subscribers, 150 tumblr followers, 80 Krino fans, 200 Ulti Reviews fans, nothing even remotely compares.
I live off of entertainment. My entire goals with everything I do is to provide it to people. I write comics, I do reviews, I make Let's Play videos, I draw things, I've even tried music remixes and other stuff that did not turn out very well. Sure, I do these things for myself, because I enjoy these things and I wouldn't want to do things that I don't like doing. But I do these things because I enjoy the feeling of knowing that I entertain others.
And so, the decision to can a project that I've been working on for so long becomes that much harder when I know I'd be disappointing literal hundreds of people, when I strive so hard to do exactly the opposite of that.
But where would continuing the comic go for me? It's extremely difficult still for me to get the motivation to make new pages of this, even for Break, a segment that I was looking forward to getting to for so long. Pages would come out at probably this same rate they have been, also known as "maybe you get one every four months or something, I'm not a psychic". This is less than ideal, as I'm sure you could imagine.
And where would stopping the comic get me? After the initial disappointment, I could move on to new projects without this burden. Sprite comics, drawn comics, with greater motivation behind them and hopefully much better-written and executed concepts and beginnings. I'd also definitely do an idea writeup to detail the plans for the rest of the comic and things that already got cut from the plans. Similar to how it was handled in Perplexing Magnolia Disruption 2, if anybody read that comic by Shard.
But ultimately... this decision falls on you guys. I feel like I'd rather move on, but I could still see myself slowly and slowly cranking out pages if it was strongly desired. Probably. But since I do this for your enjoyment, it's up to what you guys want to see from me. Just make sure to put some thought behind it before you respond. A blunt "make more comics because I like them" or "end the comic because you suck" are not going to help sway anything.
I really don't enjoy doing this, but at the same time, I feel it's necessary. And either way, it's infinitely better than just leaving this comic for months on end with no acknowledgement as people clamor for updates.
April 28th, 2017, 5:01 pmReply
March 27th, 2016, 11:14 pmReply
tbh if we want a kirby comic you could potentially make a better one
thats what i did
"and now im gonna kill kirby super deluxe and make adrift, and finish it too", he said, and failed, and died
March 27th, 2016, 11:16 pmReply
I have mixed feelings on this. The comic is so close to the end that it feels like a waste to end it abruptly. But you lack motivation. And that's a HUGE problem. My suggestion is this: You make a fancy drawing depicting a major moment in the end, then write the rest of the story in a huge author comment. It'd give us the end of the story, and allow you to finish it off without making tons more pages. How's that sound to everyone?Ultizeta,
March 27th, 2016, 11:19 pmReply
@ForestFire: Considering it's about five chapters away from the planned ending, it's further than you're thinking, just so you know.Nashew,
March 27th, 2016, 11:20 pmReply
I've been following this comic probably since the very beginning, almost six years ago now. That's an insanely long time to work on any project, especially a project like this where the passion you once had for it has fizzled. I say this because I know the feeling of losing the motivation for a project. Obviously. I've personally had a lot of projects that I jumped into too quickly without enough thought but tons of motivation, for them to ultimately fail. This is why I have so many failures in my past, and even a few that we failed together on. But I've moved on to better things now, and I think it would be best if you did the same with this comic. Sure, it's been going on for a long time, but in that long time, you've done a lot of terrible things that you regret. Working with your past self is tough. Especially when your past self was 13.
Maybe my opinion is biased because of conversations we've had about this subject, I don't know.
All that being said, I love Kirby Adventure, and I have a lot of respect for you, both as a friend, fellow comic author, and even co-author. And considering how far you've come as an author since this comic's beginning, I want to see what incredible stories you can come up with now, especially with you having bounced several ideas off me in the past that all sounded awesome, but that never became things because this comic was weighing you down.
Whatever conclusion you come to on this, I respect it. I just personally think it's time to let go of Kirby Adventure. After all, hindsight is 20/20.
March 27th, 2016, 11:23 pmReply
@Ultizeta: Well, crap. So much for that idea.Blizzard,
March 27th, 2016, 11:43 pmReply
Personally, I understand what you are going through and some from personal experience (mainly fails on my part) I would much rather go through and finish it. I mean the comic could easily come to end with a couple of concluding pages, so if it's not too painful I would suggest just making a closing really quick and that will be that. Whatever you decide, I will always remain a loyal fan to all your comics and works in the future.Warpstar,
March 27th, 2016, 11:54 pmReply
Dang, this is my problem. I came into Smack Jeeves when the comics were getting more rigid as in the whole idea and I don't really get to see anything new come out because I was late. I REALLY like your comics also, even if I hadn't even seen a full 10 updates in my presence. But you know it isn't a good thing if the author doesn't like making the comic. The recolor part I also have trouble with in my comic, since just yesterday I had read a review for your comic stating the issues in most Kirby comics. That actually got me thinking a lot and sorta had me lose a bit of hope in my comic. Then I had thought, "Hey, the comic is still recent, let me think up some things. "What does this have anything to do with it?", you might think. Well, your comic is pretty long and has 600 pages. That's way too many to remake and it harms the comic's future. Though just stopping at this point probably wouldn't be good, since like you said, you have so many people waiting. An idea you could use would be like having someone as a co-author. Not to be modest, but I would love to co-author, though it's just an idea. Ending though does seem like a good idea. Or reboot it. I don't like to force people into doing things they don't want to. Not to bring any other topic into this, but I will pray for the future of the comic, and more importantly, you as a person.CapedLuigisYoshi,
March 28th, 2016, 12:02 amReply
...It's kind of weird. All that stuff you said about how you feel KA is held down by all the bad decisions you've made prior to it? That's almost exactly how I feel about my own Kirby comic.
Of course, the difference is that I'm so incredibly stubborn in wanting to pay off some of the things I've set up in the extreme long term that I'm still going at it even though I'm nowhere close to finished.
...And I guess there's also the fact that I do manage to get enjoyment out of my old terribad stuff, through riffing it or the like.
Anyway, I'm not sure I can tell you which way to go on this. Obviously I'm biased due to the yet-unused cameo, but... honestly I wouldn't be very disappointed if that doesn't happen. The character will have other chances to appear in my own stuff anyway.
March 28th, 2016, 12:46 amReply
I understand that you've lost motivation in this comic because of the stupid decisions your 13 year old self made, but your 13 year old self started something hundreds of fans still love today. Now I'm not telling you to keep going forward with the exact same comic till the end, but I think what would work best is to get to a point where you think it'd be good to end off THIS comic. What I mean is basically pulling a Naruto Shippuden. I heard you have 5 more chapters planned, so I think somewhere sooner than that you can slowly start to get rid of the major issues (Possibly kill of Shat'l or mess with his psychic crap), and then possibly make a part two. Like an entirely separate comic. Possibly have a time skip where a lot of stuff changes. Make it the way that the you of right now could enjoy it. You can still have some of the same characters and future plotlines, but try to give more focus on a smaller cast, have it entirely the tone you would want as of now, and make everyone a bit more distinguishable. Basically, start fresh but still continue the Kirby Adventure story, in the that would make you enjoy making it. I'm not trying to tell you do to exactly what I say, I want it to be something YOU want to do and YOU would enjoy for the rest of your time making it. All I'm doing is reading what your complaints were and giving you general advice on a way that could give you motivation.Alienoid,
March 28th, 2016, 1:10 amReply
To be honest, I don't feel like I'd want you to continue this comic if you have to use terms like 'cranking out, slowly' to describe it. You say you really don't enjoy doing this. You've moved on, you've matured and you've grown tired of the flaws you've written yourself.
Frankly I can't possibly imagine it being a good idea for you to labour through monotony to continue and possibly end this comic. It'd be forced, it'd be a chore. It's not going to be something you enjoy, so my opinion would be to not do it.
In my eyes, people that would possibly say that they would want you to have to drag your tail between your legs to finish this for their entertainment aren't people worth listening to because there's a clear disregard for how you would mentally handle the situation yourself. I definitely wouldn't want you having to turn into a slave. It just really seems like you want to give up, so I say, give up if you lack the inspiration/motivation to continue. It wouldn't be fun for you, and it wouldn't be fun for us to have a forced comic continuation. It wouldn't have soul or passion, would it.
But yeah, that's just my two cents on the matter.
March 28th, 2016, 2:09 amReply
So i'm no comic maker (can't draw, sprites can't convey some of my scenes), but from a writer's perspective i can pretty sincerely say it's for the best if you stop.
Any story that becomes a huge chore to create will gradually start reflecting that in the resulting product, and that just serves to make you even more unmotivated when you look it back over. As much as I loved KA, I'd prefer it if it didn't circle the drain forever before dying.
Another thing to consider is its effect on your mental health. Nobody should have to do anything that makes them miserable for so arbitrary a reason as "it makes a bunch of strangers and some good friends happy", especially when you could achieve the same purpose by writing something new that impassions you.
As for leaving the fans feeling cheated, ForestFire's suggestion of a summary writeup would probably be an acceptable compromise. We're behind you whatever you decide.
March 28th, 2016, 2:59 amReply
I can't write long comments.
So, here' just what I think you should do:
Either end this comic, or reset it.
Yeah you heard me right - RESET.
That way, you can get rid of the "Stupid Decisions" and keep the "Pretty nice decisions my past self :D"
And you wouldn't disappoint the fans either.
March 28th, 2016, 4:10 amReply
Man, I remember commenting around like an idiot when I was a young child on my old account.
I think KA is good and has always been good. Sure there's a few plotholes here and there, but you know what? That's what makes part of its charm. One of the many things I enjoy is spontaneous randomness, which this webcomic has always provided. Has this series overstayed its welcome?... Well I've noticed the storyline slow down quite a bit with the slowing updates, but I don't think it has.
While it's depressing to see it go, I think it's for the best, and I wouldn't want you to feel pressured to pump them out.
March 28th, 2016, 5:16 amReply
Kirby Adventure was one of my driving inspritions among others to get my own comic, it was a great story and devolped beyond what most thought to a point that you grew well known. But The thing is i honestly think you can't go on if you don't have motivation, inspritition because it will not be fun and good for you it will be bad quality...I Don't want this to end either but what you contributed e.g Etam lived on and you grew into different comics. When it comes to these chooses its usually the authors choose not the fan but this is perplexing, the thing is that you still had a big chunk missing...that could cause problems some might say just right it on a comment but would you want to do that?
To be honest do whatever you have too but find something to like about the choose...find something to inspire you if you choose to continue or make the big sarcafice that needs to be done.
March 28th, 2016, 7:51 amReply
Do as you will, Ulti. Do as you will.ForestFire,
March 28th, 2016, 9:22 amReply
I love how all the comments take both Ulti's wishes and the fans into account contrary to how many of them talk about the impatient fans who aren't here. It honestly makes me proud to be one of these commenters.Fighter Dee,
March 28th, 2016, 12:13 pmReply
Well, I think you could still attempt to reboot this webcomic and keep the story and ideas from when you were younger, but you would still give us the fans the rest of the story, since you still can have some sort of ideas on how to continue, but now you would the experience and actual good ideas flowing and being usable because you reworked it in a way you CAN do just that.
But in the end it all comes down to your choices Ulti. Altough I'm sad that this webcomic is on such situation, since it was one of the first who made me interested in webcomics.
March 28th, 2016, 4:33 pmReply
I've learned from experience that I give mediocre advice, so take this with a grain of salt. I honestly think you should do what feels right. As much as I love the comic, if leaving it leads to better things for you, and maybe even for us, then let the comic go. I f what feels right is to churn out the rest of Kirby Adventure at a glacially slow speed, then do as you wish. Motivation is tricky. I won't try to make you bring it back, but maybe someday in the future, you can rectify all the dumb mistakes you made at the beginning. I don't know. What do I know. I can't one decent comic on my own. But you have lots of experience. So do what you must do to progress. I'll leave it at that Ultizeta.Kebi_in_your_pants,
March 28th, 2016, 5:23 pmReply
I'm not sure what new I can throw into this conversation, I've seen many comics go without endings or just stopping suddenly and dying off in obscurity which sucks and I'm glad you've been giving the comic a little bit attention but as you've told now it's always been on your mind and has gotten in the way of things. I'd love to say just give it the ol' reboot treatment but I don't want you to slave onto a comic with no soul just to satisfy people.
Again I'm not exactly sure what else I can say that hasn't been said 5 or 6 times just know that if the comic is going to end, Me and many other's will understand and accept your decision.
edit: for some reason I feel the need to clarify that I'd love for you to reboot the series if you could, since rereading my response didn't seem to make it sound like I did.
March 28th, 2016, 6:35 pmReply
I've been following your work since 2009, since you were GalactaKnight09 on KRR posting Y&K, and I was a young little impressionable 9 year old. I've made a comic mostly because I wanted to be like you. I would have never found Smack Jeeves if I didn't track you down on the BitF forums. I mostly wanted a BitF account (which I never got in the end) mostly so I could hope that you may somehow read my comic, which were essentially fan comics of you. I remember fanboying out about you being a fan on Kirby Funfest! back in 2011, and I remember how sad I was when you got mad at me for revealing Talzo's name. You are one of the most influential creators for me, and I just want to let you know I will back you up in whatever you do. I personally feel that you should do a sort of reboot to the series, keep the characters but rework them (especially Shadik and Shat'l) and perhaps change to plot and even the main scenario. I don't know about the details, but these characters are now very recognizable and I don't think they should be abandoned. However still, I will admit that I have preferred the Yoshi and Kirby remake and Shards of Kirino far more than a good chunk of Kirby Adventure. I remember not liking the second half of the beginning, the sorta emoness of Kirby during the middle part of the comic, a lot of Tree to Tree, but I also loved Escape!, Tear in the Fabric, Master of Puppets, and especially Technical Difficulties, which might be my favorite thing you have created. What I'm getting at mainly is that while I would like to see more with the KAS, there's enough bad in the comic to add merit to it's end, and well more than enough good to make it still worth reading even if it is never finished. I don't think there's anything you can really do to disappoint me, and I know that I will follow your work to the ends of the Internet if I have to, even if it means several restraining orders. I love your work, and I will always love your work. All I truly care about is you to keep making work, and I'll keep loving it.
I apologize if this may be kinda worded poorly, but I just typed without revising at all. I wanted to let my emotions speak for me, and there telling you to just keep creating.
March 28th, 2016, 7:26 pmReply
You've always been my favorite author on Smackjeeves, and Kirby Adventure has always been my favorite Kirby comic. I also understand your lack of motivation. The only thing keeping you from moving on seems to be the amount of followers this comic has gained.
A Wall (Guest),
However, despite what you might think, Kirby Adventure is not a bad comic. Yes, it may be lacking in originality, and in creative character designs but it has plenty of good qualities too. Look at how many people were saddened by Keito's death. Or how many other authors were inspired by your comic, as evidenced by many of the comments above.
If you really don't like working on it, I don't think you should continue working on it. But you do have kind of have a duty to your fans to finish what you started.
However, given by your current feelings, I don't think you should go forward with your original plans for the comic. I think you should shorten your plans and try to wrap it up and go all out. Have an over the top finale with Division A and Talzo's gang engaging in a final battle. Do whatever you can to finish it and have fun while doing so.
Kirby Adventure is my favorite comic on Smackjeeves and I'm sure that's true for many others. If you don't want to work on it that's fine. You shouldn't be forced to work on something you don't like. But it would really sadden me to see this comic just ended abruptly without a proper conclusion.
I'll always enjoy your work. You've managed to make what, in yours own words, was a "crappy rip-off story you made when you were 12" into the biggest active Kirby comic on Smackjeeves. I think that says a testament to your writing ability. I'll always be excited for your future projects, whatever they may be.
March 28th, 2016, 7:31 pmReply
...I...I'm not really good with long-winded paragraphs.
If you want to move on, then it's probably better for you to do so. Doing something that directly assaults your own wishes isn't a good thing for your spirit. We've had a nice ride.
March 28th, 2016, 8:22 pmReply
@ForestFire: Yea, it's nice how we all are in this one type of group and we all respect and care about each other. It makes me feel nice inside.Redkirby,
March 29th, 2016, 8:57 amReply
Another option is that you send all of your future plans to another comic author and have them finish Kirby Adventure for you. (Like BattleStarX or Nashew if either of them are willing).Light and Shadow,
March 29th, 2016, 9:51 amReply
I'm with @Muix here. I can't really say much (seeing as how I came in roughly during the middle of the story) about what you should do but your best choices are either to end or reboot it.Cherry the Puffball,
March 30th, 2016, 3:19 pmReply
Kirby Adventure was the first comic that got me into smackjeeves in the first place, and also one that made me want to start writing things.
I haven't made mich progress, but seeing what you do gives me motivation. You can do whatever you'd like.
March 31st, 2016, 2:57 pmReply
@Redkirby: Oh no. Planned plots are NOT my thing. I haven't scripted anything since day one.Planetbox (Guest),
March 31st, 2016, 5:30 pmReply
I don't really have much experience with this, but I'd recommend you maybe make a new comic sort of in this style so you can create the story you want to make without being held back by the comic's past.
Alternatively, you could reboot Kirby Adventure in order to fix some of the problems of the past, or you could just retcon a bunch of stuff, but the latter option probably wouldn't work out.
Either way, I'm sure plenty of us would still be following whatever story-based comic you decide to make, even if you decide to remove this one. After all, as much as I enjoyed this comic, I'd prefer to see something new that you enjoyed making rather than just checking this page every few weeks, hoping for an update.
March 31st, 2016, 9:14 pmReply
@Redkirby: I've personally got enough on my plate at the moment. And plus, I think if anyone else took it over, it would cease to have the same charm that Ulti gave it.Warpstar,
April 2nd, 2016, 12:59 pmReply
@Redkirby: I would be willing if I had the ability to make complex stories. My comic is pretty much just simple randomness.HyperNicoKirby (Guest),
April 6th, 2016, 8:23 pmReply
I really, really want you to continue this comic, as it is (what most people are saying) what dragged me into smackjeeves. But, if you don't want to do it, don't. You should enjoy making the comic, not feel forced to make it. The choice is up to you.
If you do decide to drop KA, please at least make a closure page, so the story doesn't stop in the middle of a sen-
To quote a talented comic creator/artist: "5. Most importantly, try and have fun with it! Don't let anything scare you off or make you feel like it's not worth it, unless you're just flat out not having fun making it. While it's important to remember comics are for the entertainment of others, you the author should also be the first one you're entertaining."
(hint hint, it's you who said that)
April 16th, 2016, 10:22 pmReply
Wow. The Hyper Zone is so HAPPY now.Rendum,
May 22nd, 2016, 7:57 pmReply