Infiltration - Part 35
August 21st, 2015, 8:38 pm
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Happy 600 pages.
So... time for the write-up on this chapter. I'm sure a lot of you want to read this one this time around. I just hope that I can accurately reflect my thought process given that I started this segment almost a year ago. That's what happens when I go on hiatuses, I suppose.
The base concept of Infiltration came from all the way back in Jetting Across The Ice. With that segment, I planned to have a pattern of "Talzo segments" that involve his group of bad guys appearing once per chapter. This sort of got screwed up in the long run, though, because of the Talzo segment for Chapter 3. I consider it to be Division Addition, but it's more of a stretch, and wasn't really what you guys wanted out of Talzo segments. Combining that fact with the fact that my segments were getting longer and more of them were appearing in-between meant that you guys had to wait way longer than you probably should for this major story progression. Sorry about that.
Speaking of Division Addition, I had also always planned for Gigi's spy-hood to lead into Infiltration. Gigi would personally infiltrate the KAS, learn some secrets and better info about the Squad (which she acquired by talking to Ryka), and then letting the gang know when would be a good time to strike. Gigi finding out about Kirby's vacation was the critical moment in C Central that led into Infiltration's plot.
I originally actually planned to have Talzo figure out about Kirby's vacation in the beginning of Infiltration, but I found the tie-in of C Central to Infiltration was too good to not do, and it gave me more time in Infiltration to do things.
Shat'l's role in Infiltration was extremely tough. I've been having a lot of problems lately writing around Shat'l's psychic abilities, and I find it hard to write comprehensible plots that don't have too many holes related to his future sight. I had a problem writing in Shat'l, so I gave Talzo the same problem and told him to fix it. Thus, I sort of cheated with limiting his psychic powers as per usual with Kiina's mirrors, and Talzo kicked him unconscious right from the very get go. Talzo's plan needed to work this time, and Shat'l was a huge barrier to both me and him.
Speaking of Shat'l, this is jumping a bit, but about him being wrong when it came to Keito: This is part of a plan that I'll just be upfront about. I need to really limit Shat'l's abilities in the future. Is there a reason for it? I'll be able to figure something out in the future, perhaps, but at the moment, it's literally just to make him less useful so I don't have to constantly write around him. He won't have as accurate info about the future anymore, and that's that. I don't care if it's bad writing, I really regret having a psychic character to begin with and I want to try and fix the issues he's been plaguing me with.
Anyways, let's talk about Whirr. As I mentioned, he was the contest-winning character from Alienoid, but to be honest, I had some admitted issues with him. Really, it's just that the personality Alienoid wrote for me with didn't lead him to have a very active presence in a large group, but I tried to give him one anyway. I don't think it worked too well, but I gave it a go. Hopefully his writing wasn't TOO bad. At the very least, it gave me some great opportunities for jokes.
A lot of people complained about Hali's reactions to Vezo's story. In her defense, Shat'l HAS always been right and on the ready in advance, so the fact that Shat'l was wrong for once and didn't see what would be happening here, it was something that not only not worth considering, but would be completely asinine for her to do given what she knew. How many times has the group been in bad situations before but Shat'l didn't really say anything truly bad would result? Hali had no way of knowing this would be any different. Should she have still helped out, though? It probably wouldn't have made a difference. One could say that it was her faith in Shat'l that caused Keito's demise, but in her mind, whether or not she helped, Shat'l would've seen her decision and what resulted from it. Her first instinct was to not worry, and so she stuck with it because to her, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Raize, on the other hand, had the same faith in Shat'l, but still felt he had a duty to take action when he heard how bad it was. They have different levels of faith in that regard, where Hali is compliant to accept things as fate, Raize acknowledges fate but will still try and do whatever he can. Vezo, in contrast, doesn't really care about what Shat'l says or doesn't say. He is a purely action sort of guy, where he sees what is going on and doesn't care what is fated to happen. The dynamic between the three clashed pretty strongly for a few comics, and I found it very interesting to write.
Talzo and Kiina in this segment were written in a much more kind light than they had been in the past, I feel. Kiina especially was shown to be much less violent and rational compared to the others, and Talzo's sympathy shone through far more than it had in the past. He's got a grudge against Hali, but basically explicitly says he's only going with this plan because of the MSG. The real question is why Talzo is with the MSG, but that'll be a question answered for another day.
Kiina being reprogrammed finally gets truly confirmed here, as well, as previously it was just speculation by Vezo. We won't be seeing this current Kiina anymore, though, because of Zykan's revisions. A lot of characterizations are going to be affected because of this chapter.
I'm glad I got to finally follow through on MSG's plan back from Jetting Across The Ice. Talzo basically filled Caiya with feelings of resentment towards Kirby, which will be hopefully noticable in future interactions, and it's why she was angry at Kirby at the end of the segment. It didn't make her evil or anything, remember, MSG's ultimate goal is to make Kirby suffer, and what better way to do that than to make his friends turn against him?
Side note: My Kirbyverse uses the metric system, despite me being American. Why? Because it makes far more sense than anything America uses. The end.
Kirby returning at the end of Infiltration was the entire reason why I had Pay Day where it was. Kirby not being at the base gave the opportunity for Infiltration to happen at all, and I knew that it would create the great scene where everything is going the villain's way and then suddenly, hope arrives in the form of Kirby. I needed Kirby to take a vacation, and realized how easily that would factor in to having Mass Attack's story. Since I already had Epic Yarn back in the segment-that-shall-not-be-named, Mass Attack being next was not only accurate to my games-timeline but would allow a future Return To Dream Land chapter to occur even sooner and it fit in so well with the plan I had in mind. And as such, I sent Kirby off to the Popopo Islands in a set-up segment and used that to fuel the plot of Infiltration.
Okay, time to talk about the three major characters in this segment: Keito, NAVO, and Zykan.
I knew from the get-go that I would be utilizing NAVO and Zykan in these new ways, as I was unhappy with their appearance in Jetting Across The Ice. Zykan felt generic and NAVO was extremely annoying to me, but I had ideas on how to rework them.
Zykan previously had knowledge of the Seven Orbs, which to me implied that he was smarter and more ancient than he seemed. His use of calling MSG "master" when he got frozen also made him seem somewhat regal. The idea of a villain who was truly ruthless and heartless but guised it under chivalry and regality intrigued me, and that's what Zykan became in this segment. He claims to be honorable, but really, he's just evil to the core.
NAVO didn't start out as being shown as sympathetic in the initial workings of the segment, but he was insane in the new ways right from the get-go. His madness was far too repetitive back when I originally wrote him, and there really was no substance. I took the near blank slate I wrote in 2011 and gave it more life. I finally got to explain the whole NAVO-Navo issue, and gave him real emotions behind the insanity. It made him feel more real and enjoyable.
It's all thanks to the Whirr puns that led to Keito and NAVO making a connection. The Whirr puns were thought of on the spot, as I figured Keito's sense of humor would have him say that. When I was doing the resulting reaction panels, I was wondering what to do. I originally had all of them reacting negatively and Keito simply responding to their negativity with the totally whirr-th it pun. Before finalizing it, though, I had the idea of NAVO quipping back. I loved the idea, and so included it. I didn't realize how many ideas it would give me, though.
It was the punchline of NAVO and Keito continuing to pun on Whirr even when Keito was a prisoner that led to the connection between the two of them being made. I figure that Keito was mostly looking to get out of the cage, but still meant everything he said, and truly intended to help NAVO out after everything was okay. Keito still recognized NAVO as a bad guy, but after the connection was made between the two, which was basically spontaneous because it felt right for the characters, I decided to go even further.
It was this connection that led me to a new idea, one that would've been considered pretty shocking:
What if NAVO was killed at the end of the segment?
Yeah, that was my original plan. After the blossoming friendship, I realized how Zykan didn't have any post in the base and could easily end up hearing NAVO's traitorous plans and actions. Zykan killing NAVO would add some shock value, make people upset after growing to like NAVO, and show more of Zykan's ruthless nature. It was a win-win scenario. The fact that Zykan stabbed NAVO first was a left-over of that idea.
That stabbing was actually originally meant to kill him, but I had the idea to drag his death out a little bit longer with more dialogue to help emphasize some of the points and connections I wanted to make and show.
It also gave me the chance to show what happened with the Spark Orb after Master of Puppets, and I loved the chance to reference the old joke of him throwing the orb at Not-Caiya's face.
The Spark Orb comic was the last comic where I was going to be using my NAVO dies idea. It was literally the night before the next page, where I was thinking about positioning of the base and the characters, what would be the most logical way to kill NAVO.
I thought about the positions of Zykan, Keito, and NAVO, as well as where the room they were in was. I soon realized that Kirby, who had just entered the base, would be showing up very soon on the left side of the room, and would come across Zykan and Keito. However, I had just cornered Zykan, and so Kirby wouldn't really notice him when he initially entered. This led to the truly shocking idea: Kirby entering the room would likely distract Keito enough that Zykan could sneak attack him to get out of being cornered. What if this ended up killing Keito?
Of course, an idea THAT radical was something I had to ponder for ages, but every way I looked at it, it not only made perfect sense, but it would be such a good story element to include. I wanted Zykan to look truly evil, right? It made sense for Zykan to take out the immediate threat, right? It wouldn't affect much of my future plans, right? Right. I also needed a way to get the villains out of the base quickly, and the threat of a pissed off Kirby and NAVO would be fantastic for getting the entire group together. NAVO could break the floor, something Keito couldn't do if I stuck with killing NAVO. Everything about it worked so well with what I wanted with Kirby Adventure, and in the end, my reluctance to kill off a main character, one of my FAVORITE characters no less, was overshadowed by the sheer amount of story weight it would add.
So, yes, I came up with killing Keito mid-segment, the night before the comic, on a total whim. It's just how I write, I guess.
The reactions to Keito dying were... interesting, to say the least. A lot of people were sort of underwhelmed from the initial stabbing, this turned into extreme anger and hatred towards me when people realized it was fatal, and later a lot of you guys are in denial about the whole thing or believe there's gonna be a way to bring him back. All I'll say for right now is that I don't plan on making Keito come back from the dead. Doesn't mean I won't have another whim idea in the future that I'll use, but I'm not planning anything at all.
I enjoyed figuring out how all the characters would react to this, though. That's what this funeral page is for. I feel like it helps work out their characterizations a little bit more.
So... yeah, that's Infiltration. Sorry the conclusion to this took so long, but hopefully the finished segment was worth the wait.
Just a reminder that the art contest ends on September 7th, in a bit more than two weeks! I'd start drawing now just so you remember, because there probably won't be another comic update in-between now and then. Make a note, do something if you plan on entering, because this is going to be the final end-date for this contest. No more exceptions.
The next segment of Kirby Adventure is going to be really big, just so you know. I've been planning out for a really long while, more than I usually do for segments. It won't come out immediately, though. I've got college and other stuff to work on, so it's gonna be a while before I feel like I'm truly ready to make the commitment that the segment is going to take. Just know that it'll really be worth it when it comes out, so the wait will be worth it. I want to make it the best segment I can.
As for now, though, I've been Ultimate Yoshi, and I am finally signing out of Infiltration. Hope you enjoyed it.
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User's CommentsMimistarlish (Guest),
August 21st, 2015, 9:56 pmReply
*Crying* WWHHyyyy??!!KEITO!!WE WILL MISS YOU!WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!!!ALL READER WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!!. *Shift* Rise In peach Keito :'( <:(BattleStarX,
August 21st, 2015, 10:01 pmReply
This chapter alone I think proves how different our comics are and the paths they're taking. It's nice to see you take this in a direction I would never really consider.DarkNut255,
August 21st, 2015, 10:19 pmReply
Overall, I do commend you for killing off a main character, and I do think that it is a great way to push the story in a new direction, but I have this nagging feeling that Keito was a bit of an odd choice. I think it's mostly how you killed the biggest comic relief character right when the comic is making a big push towards a darker mood gives me this "well he has to die now, the comic's getting serious" idea in the back of my mind, even when I know it's not the case. Still, I like to see you push for a further serious tone, and I feel that these past few comics have been significantly better than Keeby's death back in "The Beginning". I hope Zykan is shoved face-first into a pike for this.
...I also think Raize's quote hit me the hardest. Right in the memories.
August 21st, 2015, 11:18 pmReply
Man, the feels.
So this means that one of the characters is gone forev- wait a second.
*checks Cast page*
I knew this wouldn't end so anticlimactically! Not-Keito still exists!
August 22nd, 2015, 12:55 amReply
Why... I read the author comment, but, just, why? As soon as I read the page with the Whirr puns, he became my favorite. Sigh. I guess there's nothing to be done.Cherry the Puffball,
August 22nd, 2015, 2:14 amReply
That spot looks like the same spot where they buried Keeby. Another yellow guy is lost....SuperScratchkat,
August 22nd, 2015, 10:00 amReply
ow my heart hurts
it's a you-are-good-at-writing sort of hurt, though
August 22nd, 2015, 10:35 amReply
It's ironic how the 600th comic, a huge milestone, is the funeral for a character.
Now I'm sad.
August 22nd, 2015, 10:39 amReply
I'm going assume the next chapter is when we find out who MSG is.Fighter Dee,
August 22nd, 2015, 12:24 pmReply
@Ultimate Yoshi: I can't say I liked this chapter, because this one wasn't to be liked, but I see its importance, Hali was annoying for actually beliveing more on what Shat'l didn't saw than what the others saw, but was understandable, and Keito will be missed, but I see you're maturing as an author, and that's good to see!
But if Zykan doesn't dies I eventually I will get really angry.
August 22nd, 2015, 2:00 pmReply
Gotta applaud you for this chapter, Ulti. Despite the... negative reaction to Keito's death, I feel it really was a good choice on your part.Excellent work and I can't wait to see more of the story you're planning.Sapar,
August 22nd, 2015, 2:18 pmReply
Gotta say....well done here, Ulti. Never in a million years would I have expected to see THIS chapter coming, and watching events unfold gave me a sort of bittersweet feeling. I think we're all gonna miss Keito, but his loss opens a bold new path for this comic to take.
I look forward to seeing where it leads.
August 22nd, 2015, 3:10 pmReply
Get yourself a trophy, Ulti.
Light and Shadow,
You've truly outdone yourself with this chapter.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna be preparing for the tidal wave of feels that is the next chapter.
August 22nd, 2015, 3:48 pmReply
@Ultimate Yoshi: I really like how this comic has grown from when I first started reading it. Keep up the good work.
On a side note, may I suggest the idea that Shat'l's psychic powers are weakening or are blocked by the powers of MSG? that could help you work around the "Shat'l's power has to be limited to avoid plot holes" issue.
August 22nd, 2015, 6:32 pmReply
Call me evil or something, Keito's death surprised me, but didn't bother me all too much.
Simply Put, I'm Actually Not (Guest),
I really do like how his death unfolded character development and plot though.
This chapter is my 2nd favorite
August 22nd, 2015, 10:58 pmReply
tbh i think this is more funny than dramaticKirby CC,
August 23rd, 2015, 10:56 amReply
@KirbyFighterDeluxe: You sir, have made me relieved. Everybody forgot Not-Keito xDDarkMario1000,
August 23rd, 2015, 11:35 amReply
Quite the long read
And it was well worth it.
Interesting, though, how the thought of Keito's death was more spontaneous than the possibility/plan of NAVO's.
I might have to find previous comics because I don't know/recall what MSG stands for (if that abbreviation was revealed). Yikes… =[
What a conclusion to a chapter, sir.
August 23rd, 2015, 4:29 pmReply
@DarkMario1000: MSG just stands for Mysterious Shadow Guy. That's what everyone calls the guy directing Talzo's group since his name hasn't been revealed yet.Light and Shadow,
August 23rd, 2015, 4:37 pmReply
@DarkMario1000: You have MSG as Mysterious Shadow Guy and someone I've decided was a separate character currently known as Red Eyes. Red Eyes can be seen towards the end of Jetting Across The Ice and I consider him different because both have different text boxes, when MSG speaks there's a red spiral pattern that appears in the background whereas there is no such pattern when Red Eyes speaks, and the only thing linking the two together is one line that they both said.Ultimate Yoshi,
August 23rd, 2015, 4:58 pmReply
@Light and Shadow: I'm not revealing anything more than this right now, but who is considered MSG and who you consider "Red Eyes" are the exact same character, they're not different at all.Light and Shadow,
August 23rd, 2015, 5:56 pmReply
@Ultimate Yoshi: K thanks sorry for misleading peopleebearskittychan (Guest),
August 24th, 2015, 1:57 pmReply
Awesome webcomic. ^^
I literally just discovered this webcomic three days ago and have since read through the whole thing. Ryka and Caiya are my favorites (DONUTS AND SODA FTW) but all the characters are really enjoyable, even if I have trouble keeping track of all the names sometimes. ;^^ Anyways... The last time I cried this hard over a webcomic was when Brawl in the Family ended last year. RIP KEITO YOU WERE AWESOME DXMatthew the Analyzer (Guest),
August 24th, 2015, 3:42 pmReply
What of the Tedhaun medal. It's been spoken, but not shown.Light and Shadow,
August 24th, 2015, 6:24 pmReply
@ebearskittychan: I think I just found my clone. everything you said is true!Fattino,
August 26th, 2015, 3:04 amReply
"He doesn't always think about the consequences of his actions, which has gotten him into trouble a lot." Keito, you were always one to take things too far, and today you did. You shall be missed.Luke (Guest),
August 27th, 2015, 10:01 pmReply
We'll miss you Keito...
Light and Shadow,
*insert FMA:B Theme 5 here*
August 28th, 2015, 1:22 amReply
Not sure if I lost my sensitivity to these kinds of things but when Keito was stabbed, I started singing "Mmmm Watcha Sayyy"ebearskittychan (Guest),
August 28th, 2015, 8:30 amReply
@Light and Shadow clones, eh? Does that make me Not-Light and Shadow or you Not-ebearskittychan? Eitherhow, thanks dude XDMina (Guest),
August 28th, 2015, 12:16 pmReply
You've killed off both yellow kirbies.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
August 28th, 2015, 3:23 pmReply
@Mina: Not exactly... Not-Keito, both Navos, Pyra, and Lycor are still alive. Perhaps it is only a matter of time before they, too, fall...
Light and Shadow,
Now that I think about it, since NAVO was orginally going to die, there was no way all yellow people could have survived this chapter.
August 28th, 2015, 4:28 pmReply
@ebearskittychan: Well according to my character(s') continuity that I made up, Not-Light would be the leader of the DarkSpawn Clan and Shadow's former master. Unsure of what Not-ebearskittychan would be.WaddleDeeKing (Guest),
August 30th, 2015, 4:10 pmReply
Wow. That actually made me choke up. Keito was a great character.
However, the comic is still good. Good job man. You managed to make people worry about the condition of a yellow ball with limbs.
September 3rd, 2015, 11:51 amReply
Just a reminder, you guys only have five days left to draw for the contest!!X (Guest),
September 4th, 2015, 6:53 pmReply
I was kinda expecting Shadik to sacrifice himself in some freak accident to save the team, but Keito? I wasn't expecting that. Anyway...
Keito was a good soul and a great member of the KAS. I had good times with Keito, especially during the Magic Sock Incident (Tear In the Fabric). May he be in our hearts forever. -_-
September 6th, 2015, 6:30 amReply
Ah dude, he's dead. That's a bummer for the books.WaddleDeeKing (Guest),
September 7th, 2015, 3:41 pmReply
@Ultimate Yoshi: What is your account picture of? It reminds me of the Warriors series.Light and Shadow,
September 12th, 2015, 10:57 amReply
@WaddleDeeKing: The books about the cats? or something else?Rendum,
September 13th, 2015, 12:00 amReply
welp, i actually didn't except to win at all, I hope it wasn't absolutely crap, but i'm used to paper drawings, it's one of my first and i'll try harder, if I showed you you'd see a huge difference.Planetbox (Guest),
September 13th, 2015, 8:59 amReply
@WaddleDeeKing: According to a google image search, it's from an anime called Ghost Stories.Light and Shadow,
September 13th, 2015, 9:46 amReply
@Planetbox: Interesting. According to the wikipedia article, that anime has two versions. The original Japanese one which is a supernatural horror show, and the English dub which replaced most of the original dialogue with a more Dark Comedy centered script as well as much ad-libbing.
The More You Know (insert star graphic)
September 17th, 2015, 9:17 amReply
@Light and Shadow:
September 17th, 2015, 9:18 amReply
I tried.Light and Shadow,
September 17th, 2015, 9:33 amReply
@X: Thanks I tried toowhydithishappen (Guest),
September 21st, 2015, 3:32 amReply
what if shat'l was the one that who was talking to Zykan what if he is the master mind behind this allRedkirby,
September 22nd, 2015, 6:19 pmReply
@whydithishappen: That, kinda makes sense actually. But why would Shat'l want to destroy Division A.TheGreenShyGuy,
October 1st, 2015, 7:55 pmReply
@Redkirby: Do we really know anything about Shat'l?TheGreenShyGuy,
October 1st, 2015, 8:18 pmReply
@Redkirby: Just think about it. Has Shat'l ever been on a mission with them? Yeah, yeah, I get it, he's fragile or something, but he's been hurt multiple times, and there's never been a big crisis. He could just be saying that so he can stay at the base while they're all gone, possibly obtaining secret info and getting the opportunity to return back to his lair.
Also, the fact that he couldn't vision Keito dying seems a bit odd to me. Ulti stated that he wants his power to be weakened, but Shat'l could have just lied about that so the squad wouldn't have any warning of the attack.
Just the way Shat'l is being presented recently just seems...suspicious. Don't forget the fact that MSG's text box is White.
October 11th, 2015, 5:59 pmReply
sad concluisisionkirby (Guest),
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